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Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:28 pm
by PeteH
Sausage wrote:I was thinking about getting some of these for myself and my mother - her 1er was stuck on the slightest incline for a week

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http://www.snowchains.co.uk/main/weisssock.htm

Anyone used them?
I've got a pair of these and they've worked well on the back of the tourer, it gives it about 20 zillion times more traction! The downside of them is that you must take them off when you hit tarmac as they wear extremely quickly. I got mine from here

I've ordered 4 x BMW OEM 16' Alloys and Bridgestone Blizzak winter tyres, which should be here tomorrow or Thursday, ready for a trip to Scotland next week. I got them at a very good price indeed from BMW (less than a new set of 4 'decent' summer tyres!). :smurf

After lurking around on various forums winter tyres seem to be the way to go for weather under 7 degrees (roughly Oct - March in the UK) despite a lot of bashing about how crap BMW's are in the snow, with winter tyres on they seem to be transformed. After all in most european countries its illegal to use summer tyres in the winter months! :salut

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:56 pm
by pvr
Ordered these ones now, from the same company: http://www.roofbox.co.uk/scripts/rbvehs ... =235/65-17

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:45 am
by dodgyken
PeteH wrote: After lurking around on various forums winter tyres seem to be the way to go for weather under 7 degrees (roughly Oct - March in the UK) despite a lot of bashing about how crap BMW's are in the snow, with winter tyres on they seem to be transformed. After all in most european countries its illegal to use summer tyres in the winter months! :salut
Close Pete - but technically wrong.

The situation in Europe is insurance companies expect you to have your car prepared for the prevailing conditions. Therefore if you have an accident in winter and are using summer tyres there is a very good chance that they won't pay out.

The police on the other hand technically don't care what tyres you drive on - no matter what time of year. However, should you be involved in an accident the police will look at what happened and aportion blame. Should you be driving on summer tyres there is a good chance that they would assign more blame to you even if you would normally not expect any.

With blame, comes an insurance claim, at which point you aren't covered and get hit very hard in the pocket.

I have argued with people for 5 years the benefit on winter tyres - and it is only this year where people begin to understand - even if the tyres do generally function better below 7c.

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:20 am
by PeteH
Close Dodgy - but technically wrong :smurf Its seems a bit of a mixed bag on the 'continent' :farao

Austria:

Winter tires are not in general mandatory. They can however be required when specified by traffic signs. Roads with such signs may not be travelled by vehicles without winter equipment - including snow chains as well. The required tread depth is four millimetres. A tire with a shallower tread depth is considered to be a summer tire. Studs are permitted on vehicles up to 3.5 t; speed limits apply.

Belgium / Netherlands / Luxemburg:

Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg are not exactly renowned for winter sports. Nevertheless, vehicles should be equipped with winter tires: In the hilly regions along the German border, snow is nearly a certainty, and in the other regions of our neighbours to the west, temperatures below freezing are common in winter. Without winter tires, the braking distances become longer and longer. Winter tires are not mandatory, studs are forbidden.

Czech Republic:

There are no laws mandating winter tires in the Czech Republic. But driving in the winter wonderland of the Czech Republic without winter tires is not recommended, as there is no substitute for the good cornering stability and grip when starting up that such tires provide.

Denmark:

The Danes are not required to have winter tires, but a large percentage do change their tires. Studded tires are permitted, but are quite uncommon in road traffic. The cold temperatures alone are reason enough to recommend the use of winter tires when travelling to wintry Denmark.

Estonia:

Winter tires are mandatory from 1 December to the end of February. This period can however start earlier or end later, as specified in response to prevailing weather conditions. Studs are not permitted.

Finland: In Finland, winter tires are mandatory from 1 December through the end of February. Since 1999, this also applies to vehicles from other countries.

France:

In France winter tires are not mandatory. They may however be required for mountain roads when indicated by signs.Snow chains may be obligatory for certain stretches.Studded tires can be fit on cars as well (from the beginning of November to the end of March, with speed limits of 90 km/h out of town, 50 km/h in town).The car must have a sticker indicating that it is equipped with studded tires.Despite the fact that winter tires are not mandatory, drivers should by no means do without, especially in the French Alps.

Italy:

The use of winter tires is not a requirement, although they can be specified for certain stretches. There are no specific regulations regarding the use of snow chains. Whoever wants to drive on studded tires must comply with the speed limits (90 km/h out of town and 50 km/h in town). Never start off on a winter holiday in Italy without winter tires.

Latvia:

Like in Finland, winter tires are mandatory from 1 December through the end of February in Latvia.

Lithuania:

Winter tires are obligatory here from 1 November to 1 April.

Norway:

Foreign vehicles in Norway are not required to have winter tires, although it is highly recommended. For Norwegian vehicles, winter tires are obligatory. Motorists are all required to always see to it that their vehicles are equipped with appropriate tires for the weather conditions, which goes as far as requiring snow chains where necessary. So there“s no getting around winter tires even in Norway

Poland:

Whoever drives to Poland in winter is not required to have winter tires. However, since there is hardly any snow removal service in the countryside, driving without reliable winter tires is a major risk.

Slovenia:

Winter tires are obligatory from 15 November to 15 March. This means either winter tires or radial tires with a minimum tread depth of four millimetres. But according to Slovenian law, two winter tires per vehicle are sufficient.Experts however highly recommend that winter tires be fit on all wheels.

Sweden:

Foreign vehicles are not required to have winter tires in the cold time of the year in Sweden as well. Winter tires are however mandatory for Swedish vehicles. But driving to the land of elks without winter tires is not recommended since sand or salt is not spread on many roads.

Switzerland:

Winter tires are not in general mandatory in Switzerland as well. However, winter tires are recommended since if there is an accident which is proven to have been caused by summer tires, the driver may be held jointly liable, which can have significant consequences. In such cases, Swiss insurance policies provide only partial coverage, if any at all. Snow chains and studs are optional. They may however be mandated by signs (also on all-wheel-drive vehicles). Studs are not permitted on most motorways in Switzerland. Vehicles may be equipped with studded tires only from November 1st to March 31st and must observe speed limits of 80 km/h out of town and 50 km/h in town. It is therefore a good idea to use winter tires in Switzerland.

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:29 pm
by dodgyken
I was talking about the civilised parts of Europe :bom

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:23 am
by Roaders
Very interesting video, really highlights the difference.

We were in Scotland for Christmas in the 1er and got stuck several times. The In-Laws drive has a slight rise to the pavement then the pavement slopes down to the road resulting in a ridge - the car got stuck with wheels either side of this ridge a few times.

I think it would have been better in the ///M with the LSD but as we did over 1000 miles of motorway driving over Christmas we took the diesel.

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:46 am
by JimDiesel
I have just taken delivery of a set of snow socks for the 335d. I have not had the opportunity to try them in anger, but when I do I will post my thoughts up.

If I wasnt thinking of changing cars in the next few months, I like Pete would have bought a set of winters as the 335d on its Z rated Pilot Sport2 ZP's is pretty hopeless from a traction point of view. A set of 17'' (the smallest size that would clear the brakes) boulers with Michelin Alpin Pilot ZP's would be the prefered route.

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:38 pm
by pvr
Did you get those from the Roofbox company? I find it a sh*te company to deal with, do not reply to emails nor calls. They NEVER answer the phone, I even was on hold once for an hour. I can not believe that.

Got my winter wheels / tyres on the X5 now, road noise is no different which pleased me. On previous winter wheels I found the noise of the tyres quite tiresome.

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:45 pm
by PeteH
I had my winter wheels fitted on Thursday - the grip compared to my normal tyres is literally night and day! I'm glad I went for the alloys and not the steel wheels in the end! :afro

Re: Winter Tyres vs All season vs Summer Tyres

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:20 pm
by pvr
Can you move in that garage? :shock: